MacinDoc
Oct 26, 06:00 PM
After applying the update, it seems like it's running cooler. I'm getting 53-54C now, when normally it's 58-59.
I applied the firmware w/o issue... Looks to be running well and my temps are staying more even as I continue to use it.
43.2 C right now
So, it looks like Apple is trying to fix the problem by keeping the MacBook cooler, thus preventing the heat sink from expanding enough to come into contact with the cable. A simple, elegant solution, except it will likely cause increased fan use and decreased battery life, but these are minor inconveniences compared to random shutdown.
I applied the firmware w/o issue... Looks to be running well and my temps are staying more even as I continue to use it.
43.2 C right now
So, it looks like Apple is trying to fix the problem by keeping the MacBook cooler, thus preventing the heat sink from expanding enough to come into contact with the cable. A simple, elegant solution, except it will likely cause increased fan use and decreased battery life, but these are minor inconveniences compared to random shutdown.
Sydde
Mar 11, 08:34 PM
(apologies too for my extra salty mood)
My blood pressure is fine, just make sure you use the fine sea salt ;)
My blood pressure is fine, just make sure you use the fine sea salt ;)
zigziggityzoo
Nov 6, 11:28 PM
Does anyone in Australia (or anywhere else similar) know exactly when your education discount no longer applies for uni? Your last day of classes? Your last exam? Graduation day 2-3 months later? Because I should be finishing in February and I wanted to know how long to hold out. Will Leopard be out by Jan/Feb? Or at least a free upgrade for laptops purchased late Jan/early Feb?
The day of your last Exam. Or, your last day of classes, whichever is last.
The day of your last Exam. Or, your last day of classes, whichever is last.
bwanac
Nov 6, 11:55 PM
Still waiting to get one... needs 10.5 standard. Of course I could go splitsies with some friends on it.
NT1440
Mar 29, 02:38 PM
So by that logic. You agree with the enforcement of a No Fly zone in Libya.
The "No Fly Zone" consists of far more than we are being told. Air strikes are being taken against Gaddafi's forces and arms (tanks being blown up).
From what I can tell, the world has entered a new phase of warfare. We choose who we want to win in a civil war (reasoning never shared with the public) or conflict of some type, then we use airpower to literally clear the way for that side to march on to power. This way we aren't in "traditional" warfare with troops on the group, but we sure as hell are doing more than just making sure Gaddafi's planes aren't in the air.
This is detached warfare, and I expect it to become the new paradigm. It's just abstract enough that the public won't view it as war costing us soldier's lives, regardless of whether military strikes are actually occurring. This will allow for the USA and/or the likeminded to continue its neverending military intervention around the globe while keeping the public detached enough to go with it, after all, "our troops will not be in harms way".
The next logical step I see in this is the replacement of our pilots with Avenger/Raptor Drones (next-gen version of the finished Predator program). Further abstraction, further detachment from the reality of warfare, this allows for governments to wage war while the public continues being disinterested as always. If "we" aren't getting hurt (aka soldiers dying) then the public rarely cares about what happens to "them" (whatever people we are attacking in a given conflict). Note how the casualties in world affairs are portrayed in American news, there could be 100 deaths as a result of a bombing somewhere, but the first thing to be reported is how many American casualties there were. Same goes for death toll reports in our ongoing wars.
This separation of the public's attention to the actual going ons in relation to warfare is truly scary stuff. We see only what we are allowed to see (war-related) from the mainstream media (see: John Pilger on imbedded journalism). We need future leaders to recognize these trends and stand against them before just accepting this stuff as part of the political machinery.
The "No Fly Zone" consists of far more than we are being told. Air strikes are being taken against Gaddafi's forces and arms (tanks being blown up).
From what I can tell, the world has entered a new phase of warfare. We choose who we want to win in a civil war (reasoning never shared with the public) or conflict of some type, then we use airpower to literally clear the way for that side to march on to power. This way we aren't in "traditional" warfare with troops on the group, but we sure as hell are doing more than just making sure Gaddafi's planes aren't in the air.
This is detached warfare, and I expect it to become the new paradigm. It's just abstract enough that the public won't view it as war costing us soldier's lives, regardless of whether military strikes are actually occurring. This will allow for the USA and/or the likeminded to continue its neverending military intervention around the globe while keeping the public detached enough to go with it, after all, "our troops will not be in harms way".
The next logical step I see in this is the replacement of our pilots with Avenger/Raptor Drones (next-gen version of the finished Predator program). Further abstraction, further detachment from the reality of warfare, this allows for governments to wage war while the public continues being disinterested as always. If "we" aren't getting hurt (aka soldiers dying) then the public rarely cares about what happens to "them" (whatever people we are attacking in a given conflict). Note how the casualties in world affairs are portrayed in American news, there could be 100 deaths as a result of a bombing somewhere, but the first thing to be reported is how many American casualties there were. Same goes for death toll reports in our ongoing wars.
This separation of the public's attention to the actual going ons in relation to warfare is truly scary stuff. We see only what we are allowed to see (war-related) from the mainstream media (see: John Pilger on imbedded journalism). We need future leaders to recognize these trends and stand against them before just accepting this stuff as part of the political machinery.
j-traxx
Mar 11, 04:12 PM
"Giving up" does not mean buying outdated technology for top dollar. If you were truly giving up on waiting, you should have also given up on Apple -- who did not value your interest enough to give you either a discount or some indication as to when updates would be released.
check consumer reports. they value their customers and the customers respond in a undeniable fashion. what are you? a troll?
check consumer reports. they value their customers and the customers respond in a undeniable fashion. what are you? a troll?
the editor
Apr 12, 02:15 PM
All this moral discussion about stealing a 1500,- bucks suite of software is pretty ridiculous if you put it into a relation to the billions of dollars/euros stolen from our tax money by the private central banks.
If a corporation steals billions that's ok, but if someone pirates a single piece of software that's theft.
The same rules should apply to everyone.
Btw, I have only legit software on my computer.
my point exactly...
I really don't get all the wankers here with all there high morals about downloading is steeling. It aint steeling, and if it was i wouldn't feel one single bit of guilt...i'm getting robed here everyday by the government, at work, hell i'm even getting robed buying grocery's...why should i be the idiot paying for something i can get for free...and don't start the "people are losing their jobs if you don't buy it" if they do than they should get in line. Here's an idea... maybe the CEO's could spare a few of their billions to help the staff out and make them keep their job...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjSq4HqP9Y
If a corporation steals billions that's ok, but if someone pirates a single piece of software that's theft.
The same rules should apply to everyone.
Btw, I have only legit software on my computer.
my point exactly...
I really don't get all the wankers here with all there high morals about downloading is steeling. It aint steeling, and if it was i wouldn't feel one single bit of guilt...i'm getting robed here everyday by the government, at work, hell i'm even getting robed buying grocery's...why should i be the idiot paying for something i can get for free...and don't start the "people are losing their jobs if you don't buy it" if they do than they should get in line. Here's an idea... maybe the CEO's could spare a few of their billions to help the staff out and make them keep their job...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGjSq4HqP9Y
DJinTX
Mar 25, 02:26 PM
Does iPad wifi and iPad 3G use the same update file or do I need to download twice?
Already got iPhone to do so 3 iOS downloads would be nice to avoid!
Why would you want to download instead of using iTunes. It will download and install the right update file for each device. No worries. Based on the varying file sizes being reported here, there are obviously different builds for each device.
Already got iPhone to do so 3 iOS downloads would be nice to avoid!
Why would you want to download instead of using iTunes. It will download and install the right update file for each device. No worries. Based on the varying file sizes being reported here, there are obviously different builds for each device.
FadeToBlack
Sep 13, 09:32 PM
Mine shipped today and should be here tomorrow! Can't wait! :cool:
jdylan
Mar 13, 09:16 AM
Don't worry about the formatting, it's just a hard drive, they're all standard.
If it is an external, just plug it in, open /Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility, select the new drive from the list on the left, select the "Erase" tab at the top, and "erase" it as "Mac OS Extended (Journaled)"
Thanks, you saved me a lot of stress. After reading the specs and seeing it was for PC's only, I tried to cancel the order. Sorry, I'm not a tech guru. But why would they state something like that and possibly limit their sales, when all they have to say is it can be formatted to whatever system you have?
http://www.wdc.com/en/PRODUCTS/Products.asp?DriveID=781
If it is an external, just plug it in, open /Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility, select the new drive from the list on the left, select the "Erase" tab at the top, and "erase" it as "Mac OS Extended (Journaled)"
Thanks, you saved me a lot of stress. After reading the specs and seeing it was for PC's only, I tried to cancel the order. Sorry, I'm not a tech guru. But why would they state something like that and possibly limit their sales, when all they have to say is it can be formatted to whatever system you have?
http://www.wdc.com/en/PRODUCTS/Products.asp?DriveID=781
belalugosisdad
Sep 13, 07:53 AM
How unlucky do I feel? I just spent a week in Chicago, and on Monday bought a 60Gb Ipod for myself and a 2Gb Ipod for the GF. I left the US on Tuesday afternoon. I knew I should've waited 'til Tuesday morning before buying..... Oh well, gotta smile..... I think.......
MacCoaster
Oct 11, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by edesignuk
I'd have to dissagree with you there, even in the x86 world Mhz is not a clear rating, take the P4 and XP+ for example.
The top Intel CPU at the moment is 2.8Ghz, while the AMD 2600+ (2.13Ghz) is AMD's best offering, even though there is almost a 700Mhz speed difference there the AMD will still be as fast if not faster as the apparently (going by Mhz) supreme Intel.
He didn't say it was valid for Intel v. AMD. He simply stated architecture. AMD has its own architecture, which is a RISC chip with CISC emulator as far as I'm concerned. He even compared two AMD chips. Here, the MHz/GHz is a very valid benchmark.
By the way, the 2.8GHz P4 kills AMD Athlon XP 2600+ for normal operations, but AMD Athlon XP 2600+ kills P4 when it comes to rendering with Maya, etc. Different things are superior in either.
I'd have to dissagree with you there, even in the x86 world Mhz is not a clear rating, take the P4 and XP+ for example.
The top Intel CPU at the moment is 2.8Ghz, while the AMD 2600+ (2.13Ghz) is AMD's best offering, even though there is almost a 700Mhz speed difference there the AMD will still be as fast if not faster as the apparently (going by Mhz) supreme Intel.
He didn't say it was valid for Intel v. AMD. He simply stated architecture. AMD has its own architecture, which is a RISC chip with CISC emulator as far as I'm concerned. He even compared two AMD chips. Here, the MHz/GHz is a very valid benchmark.
By the way, the 2.8GHz P4 kills AMD Athlon XP 2600+ for normal operations, but AMD Athlon XP 2600+ kills P4 when it comes to rendering with Maya, etc. Different things are superior in either.
iSax1234
Mar 14, 02:38 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5524388909_ca20c8e0a2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/arrington_aka_photography/5524388909/)
Mere (http://www.flickr.com/photos/arrington_aka_photography/5524388909/) by A.Arrington (http://www.flickr.com/people/arrington_aka_photography/), on Flickr
Mere (http://www.flickr.com/photos/arrington_aka_photography/5524388909/) by A.Arrington (http://www.flickr.com/people/arrington_aka_photography/), on Flickr
fixyourthinking
Aug 3, 06:54 AM
I totally agree with you and I blame the Washington Post for the initial insanity. The headline and article made it sound as if the MacBook was the problem and not the third-party device driver. Obviously, there is a security hole that needs to be addressed by vendors like Apple, but this isn't an Apple hardware problem.
I may have beeen initially too dismissive of the article, but that's because of the sudden yellow tint to all the articles regarding Macintosh security. The tech-press is ready to wet themselves the moment a Macintosh hole is discovered and far too many people, offended by the Get A Mac commercials, have their long knives sharpened and are just waiting for the opportunity to use them. Some were so quick on the draw I suspect they merely read the headline.
The problem is that it was also from a third party device driver from something that almost ZERO people will use with MacBooks ... a USB to wireless adapter. Further, the driver for the third party device had to be installed "PRIOR" to the hack and then also had to access the wireless access point via the terminal ... who does that? And how many people just have the terminal open?
I may have beeen initially too dismissive of the article, but that's because of the sudden yellow tint to all the articles regarding Macintosh security. The tech-press is ready to wet themselves the moment a Macintosh hole is discovered and far too many people, offended by the Get A Mac commercials, have their long knives sharpened and are just waiting for the opportunity to use them. Some were so quick on the draw I suspect they merely read the headline.
The problem is that it was also from a third party device driver from something that almost ZERO people will use with MacBooks ... a USB to wireless adapter. Further, the driver for the third party device had to be installed "PRIOR" to the hack and then also had to access the wireless access point via the terminal ... who does that? And how many people just have the terminal open?
6-0 Prolene
Mar 14, 08:15 AM
It's a bit of a cross post, but in the "Waiting for Arrandale" thread a member mentioned going to their local Apple store to buy a MBP and the sales associate mentioned that there was a big box in back and apparently some new SKUs popped up in the system. Thought you might want to know...
So I got sick of waiting on Apple to update the MBP, so I headed down to Delaware to pick one up. While I was there, one of the sales people told me that there was some box in the back, and she really thinks it is the updated ones. She also said about some new SKUs that she saw.
I'm not sure if she knows what she is talking about, but she said she bought a MBP about a month or two ago and is sad she didn't wait because she didn't know they were updating.
It seemed pretty promising, so I figured I'd pass it along.
I have 14 days to return this one and exchange it for a new one if that does happen Tuesday :)
So I got sick of waiting on Apple to update the MBP, so I headed down to Delaware to pick one up. While I was there, one of the sales people told me that there was some box in the back, and she really thinks it is the updated ones. She also said about some new SKUs that she saw.
I'm not sure if she knows what she is talking about, but she said she bought a MBP about a month or two ago and is sad she didn't wait because she didn't know they were updating.
It seemed pretty promising, so I figured I'd pass it along.
I have 14 days to return this one and exchange it for a new one if that does happen Tuesday :)
torbjoern
Apr 26, 10:57 AM
I don't know the answer to question one, but the answer to the second question is yes. On top of that, the rate of conviction of blacks is higher.
It was ONE question, not a first and a second one. Whatever somebody answers to only the second half of it, is totally meaningless as long as the answer to the first half is not "yes".
It was ONE question, not a first and a second one. Whatever somebody answers to only the second half of it, is totally meaningless as long as the answer to the first half is not "yes".
mdntcallr
Aug 24, 01:21 PM
Heh, after checking all of my batteries are fine. darn! (or good)
was sort of hoping to get a free update on the battery. but to be honest. would be a waste of time, as i will probably buy one of the new macbook pro's soon.
whenever the new models are released.
was sort of hoping to get a free update on the battery. but to be honest. would be a waste of time, as i will probably buy one of the new macbook pro's soon.
whenever the new models are released.
MacsRgr8
Sep 6, 08:58 AM
Does anyone know how the 7300GT compares to the X1600? I am leaning towards the 20" to replace my 17" rev. A iMacG5, but would upgrade to the 24" is the GPU is a big bump.
Well, it seems to be comparable with the X1800 GT, and that card is alot faster than the X1600.
Well, it seems to be comparable with the X1800 GT, and that card is alot faster than the X1600.
direzz
Aug 3, 04:36 PM
Monday is a civic holiday for me and my fellow Canadians.... I might check out the Apple store at the Eaton's Centre to 1) see if they are open, and 2) to see if they'll be broadcasting the keynote live! :)
The iPhone pictures to me look like a photoshop hack of a nano, I just got a SLVR myself a few months ago, but I'll be curious to see what the iPhone features are when(if?) it comes out at the WWDC.
haha yaaa yoo lmaoo
im canadian and im soo gonna check out the apple store, but yorkdale one.
The iPhone pictures to me look like a photoshop hack of a nano, I just got a SLVR myself a few months ago, but I'll be curious to see what the iPhone features are when(if?) it comes out at the WWDC.
haha yaaa yoo lmaoo
im canadian and im soo gonna check out the apple store, but yorkdale one.
MacCheetah3
Oct 26, 07:42 PM
Hi
Here's a question to ponder...How are people suppose to install this firmware if there macbooks keep shutting down?
Easy...With any firmware / SMC update, the sensors are ignored. This is the same thing with the Hardware Test CD as well. This is easily apparent because when the machine is updating the firmware, fans go to "deafening" mode.
Why is all of this? Ever since the elaborate cooling of the Power Mac G5 to keep things quiet, the cooling system has relied on a number of sensors throughout the casing, monitored by both a hardware thermal chip and the Mac OS X kernel. Take away Mac OS X and you are left with a dysfunctional cooling system...So, the hardware chip sets all fans to the highest speed in order to prevent overheating due to lack of information being supplied to it.
One last thing...
My MacBook is an earlier unit and within the affected [serial number] range. I constantly push my MacBook to maximum temps for a number of hours continuously with DVD ripping / re-encoding and have not had one unexpected shutdown yet. So, please, let's not make this sound like some kind of plague...I now how most enjoy exaggerating these 'things'.
P.S. I read somewhere that it was the insulation of the sensor wire burning / melting off, therefore, causing a short. So, replacing the heatsink would also include a new sensor wire(s) that are constructed / routed better and not degrade with sustained high heat. The expanding heatsink sounds a little sketchy but possible...However, that'd be some impressive expansion as I'd guess Apple gives more more leeway than that between the heatsink and other components.
Here's a question to ponder...How are people suppose to install this firmware if there macbooks keep shutting down?
Easy...With any firmware / SMC update, the sensors are ignored. This is the same thing with the Hardware Test CD as well. This is easily apparent because when the machine is updating the firmware, fans go to "deafening" mode.
Why is all of this? Ever since the elaborate cooling of the Power Mac G5 to keep things quiet, the cooling system has relied on a number of sensors throughout the casing, monitored by both a hardware thermal chip and the Mac OS X kernel. Take away Mac OS X and you are left with a dysfunctional cooling system...So, the hardware chip sets all fans to the highest speed in order to prevent overheating due to lack of information being supplied to it.
One last thing...
My MacBook is an earlier unit and within the affected [serial number] range. I constantly push my MacBook to maximum temps for a number of hours continuously with DVD ripping / re-encoding and have not had one unexpected shutdown yet. So, please, let's not make this sound like some kind of plague...I now how most enjoy exaggerating these 'things'.
P.S. I read somewhere that it was the insulation of the sensor wire burning / melting off, therefore, causing a short. So, replacing the heatsink would also include a new sensor wire(s) that are constructed / routed better and not degrade with sustained high heat. The expanding heatsink sounds a little sketchy but possible...However, that'd be some impressive expansion as I'd guess Apple gives more more leeway than that between the heatsink and other components.
PerfectlyFlawed
Sep 22, 04:17 PM
I hate Walmart, I always have. they make people think they're so cheap. they really aren't cheap at all. they never have sales.
I wouldn't give a crap if walmart did anything to hurt the film studios. I don't buy movies there anyway because they actually check your ID if its R or unrated. not that I'm not old enough but I sure as hell hate taking my ID out to justify that I'm at least 17. they never have special editions or unrated versions so why the hell does it matter.
STICK TO BEST BUY OR CIRCUIT CITY.
BOYCOTT WALMART
I wouldn't give a crap if walmart did anything to hurt the film studios. I don't buy movies there anyway because they actually check your ID if its R or unrated. not that I'm not old enough but I sure as hell hate taking my ID out to justify that I'm at least 17. they never have special editions or unrated versions so why the hell does it matter.
STICK TO BEST BUY OR CIRCUIT CITY.
BOYCOTT WALMART
rigoni
Nov 27, 11:06 AM
What about a yellow Ipod?
OdduWon
Jul 22, 11:55 PM
i hope the eventually come out with the macpod concept featured in icreate and also on one of these pages. this would be great and i think that is is a better solution to the screen realestate issue because i know that the finger prints on my psp are anoying and if you are to be constantly scrolling in a circle on this new ipod it would only take a little dirt on the screen to create a permanent "scratch" wheel on your screen and thats about a anoying as watching drawn together through a scratched agent 18 case on a ipod with video.
(edit) oh this is what i'm talki'n about
(edit) oh this is what i'm talki'n about
K12MacTech
Sep 22, 03:03 PM
For those that are unfamiliar with Wal-Marts business practices I recommend you watch Frontline's Is Wal-Mart Good For America? (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/)
It's a great documentary. You can watch it online for free using RealPlayer.
It's a great documentary. You can watch it online for free using RealPlayer.