FX4568
Apr 19, 04:27 PM
I had to finally register to comment on the hypocrisy in this and many other threads like it. Because some people want frame rates for gaming on an MBA, then your needs for GPU performance are valid, and others who don't game but could use CPU performance have invalid needs? Rubbish.
A perfect example is the above. So the C2D rates as a 100/100 for CPU performance and thus any improvement is useless? Really?! Nice to see that you framed the argument such that any improvement you don't see as needed is useless.
On Sunday I combined 6 or 8 short 720p video clips into a 7 minute video for YouTube with a simple title screen and transitions. It took the C2D ~40 minutes to process the video and save in a new format. So you're really going to argue that there is nothing to be gained from a significant bump in processor speed?
For me and many other potential MBA purchasers, a CPU bump from the media processing abilities of the Core i processors would be welcome, and GPU performance over and above the ability to play real-time HD video is useless. We shouldn't be saddled with an out-of-date processor or forced to subsidize "unnecessary" frame rate performance just to appease game-players. And that perspective is as valid as yours.
Well, I shall say first of all, welcome to the MacRumors forum :) I believe CPU is important to the computer as the GPU is. As current computers are, CPU have set a milestone where most users are not even able to use 100% of the capabilities hidden in such a powerful processor.
Now, you were complaining I used 100/100 in the CPU analogy? fine, I will change it. CPU will be 90/100 and GPU is 80/100 as the 30% increase in cpu and 30% decrease in gpu, we will see a difference of 117/100 and 56/100. Am I arguing that there will be nothing to be gained from a bump in processor speed? Definitely not! Who doesnt love the little extra power when we need it? Who doesnt want the latest in tech? What im saying is that the downgrading of the GPU outweights the upgrading of the CPU in terms of OVERALL performance.
Futhermore HT and Turbo dont work 100% of the times.
For you and many other potential MBA purchasers, a CPU bump will be indeed welcomed. But as of me and the I believe majority of MBA owners and will be owners, the difference of processor speed is negligible to a certain extent, but the performance lack of GPU will be noticed the moment we start using the Macbook Air.
+1, besides, the 13" MBP + 128GB SSD provide far better value-for-money than any present 13" MBA.
The cheaper solution, the 11", tells another story but even then anything past the base model comes so close to the price of a 13" MBP+SSD that it's impractical to get a 11" from a performance point of view, especially when it's equipped with the slow 1.4 C2D. The 1.4 i5 will provide far better performance (certainly far more than 40% of speed boost). We will still be able to watch FullHD movies despite the less capable IGP. Games. Don't tell me you want to play WoW on a 11" monitor.
FX4568 said "We have enough to accomplish our tasks, and any more would be an overkill in the things we need our computer to process.". Overkill means the increased processor speed will not be of any use, or, in other words, useless.
You are comparing a cheaper price point by bringing a 128 SSD into the game. You must understand that even though many people have to choose between the 13 MBA and 13 MBP, both of them are made for a different purpose. You can play WoW on a 11" monitor. Why do you chain your MBA to tasks that you only think it will be able to accomplish.
Okay, sorry about my lack of further explanation, but I dont want this to sound personal, but what you are doing is taking my statement to a whole different level. I would like to infer that your intelligence would be above the mark where I dont have to expand on every single statement that I say. When I say that the C2D is enough to accomplish tasks, I am saying that it is good enough for the higher than average person. Handbrakers of course will face a time difference on the processor speed, but as many of us know, not everyone uses Handbrake, and if we do, it is not something we do daily. Processor speed is always welcome, but at the sacrifice of GPU from 320m to the Intel GPU is the difference between the ability to play Crysis on 19.3 FPS at Medium settings and not be able to playing it at all while the performance increase in CPU is the difference between 10-30 minutes in Handbrake.
A perfect example is the above. So the C2D rates as a 100/100 for CPU performance and thus any improvement is useless? Really?! Nice to see that you framed the argument such that any improvement you don't see as needed is useless.
On Sunday I combined 6 or 8 short 720p video clips into a 7 minute video for YouTube with a simple title screen and transitions. It took the C2D ~40 minutes to process the video and save in a new format. So you're really going to argue that there is nothing to be gained from a significant bump in processor speed?
For me and many other potential MBA purchasers, a CPU bump from the media processing abilities of the Core i processors would be welcome, and GPU performance over and above the ability to play real-time HD video is useless. We shouldn't be saddled with an out-of-date processor or forced to subsidize "unnecessary" frame rate performance just to appease game-players. And that perspective is as valid as yours.
Well, I shall say first of all, welcome to the MacRumors forum :) I believe CPU is important to the computer as the GPU is. As current computers are, CPU have set a milestone where most users are not even able to use 100% of the capabilities hidden in such a powerful processor.
Now, you were complaining I used 100/100 in the CPU analogy? fine, I will change it. CPU will be 90/100 and GPU is 80/100 as the 30% increase in cpu and 30% decrease in gpu, we will see a difference of 117/100 and 56/100. Am I arguing that there will be nothing to be gained from a bump in processor speed? Definitely not! Who doesnt love the little extra power when we need it? Who doesnt want the latest in tech? What im saying is that the downgrading of the GPU outweights the upgrading of the CPU in terms of OVERALL performance.
Futhermore HT and Turbo dont work 100% of the times.
For you and many other potential MBA purchasers, a CPU bump will be indeed welcomed. But as of me and the I believe majority of MBA owners and will be owners, the difference of processor speed is negligible to a certain extent, but the performance lack of GPU will be noticed the moment we start using the Macbook Air.
+1, besides, the 13" MBP + 128GB SSD provide far better value-for-money than any present 13" MBA.
The cheaper solution, the 11", tells another story but even then anything past the base model comes so close to the price of a 13" MBP+SSD that it's impractical to get a 11" from a performance point of view, especially when it's equipped with the slow 1.4 C2D. The 1.4 i5 will provide far better performance (certainly far more than 40% of speed boost). We will still be able to watch FullHD movies despite the less capable IGP. Games. Don't tell me you want to play WoW on a 11" monitor.
FX4568 said "We have enough to accomplish our tasks, and any more would be an overkill in the things we need our computer to process.". Overkill means the increased processor speed will not be of any use, or, in other words, useless.
You are comparing a cheaper price point by bringing a 128 SSD into the game. You must understand that even though many people have to choose between the 13 MBA and 13 MBP, both of them are made for a different purpose. You can play WoW on a 11" monitor. Why do you chain your MBA to tasks that you only think it will be able to accomplish.
Okay, sorry about my lack of further explanation, but I dont want this to sound personal, but what you are doing is taking my statement to a whole different level. I would like to infer that your intelligence would be above the mark where I dont have to expand on every single statement that I say. When I say that the C2D is enough to accomplish tasks, I am saying that it is good enough for the higher than average person. Handbrakers of course will face a time difference on the processor speed, but as many of us know, not everyone uses Handbrake, and if we do, it is not something we do daily. Processor speed is always welcome, but at the sacrifice of GPU from 320m to the Intel GPU is the difference between the ability to play Crysis on 19.3 FPS at Medium settings and not be able to playing it at all while the performance increase in CPU is the difference between 10-30 minutes in Handbrake.
reflex
Oct 24, 08:13 AM
Whats the shipping times?
3-5 days here.
3-5 days here.
Waybo
Apr 14, 08:58 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5102/5620879322_013331e346_b.jpg
C&C welcomed & appreciated, as always.
ISO 400, 21mm, f/4.5, 1/1000
C&C welcomed & appreciated, as always.
ISO 400, 21mm, f/4.5, 1/1000
ezekielrage_99
Jul 29, 04:45 AM
It will suck like all Microsoft products except for the MS Mouse that is good.
How come pretty much everthing Apple makes is good except for the Mouse :confused:
How come pretty much everthing Apple makes is good except for the Mouse :confused:
Iconoclysm
Apr 21, 11:50 PM
Attempted insults show your insecurity.
You're assumptions prove it.
Try your tactics on someone else :)
Ignoring an entire post of facts that bring light to your comments about thousands of people being collectively stupid because you feel insulted shows...ignorance.
ig�no�rance
�noun
the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
The possessive form of the word is "your".
And exactly what would I have to be insecure about?
You're assumptions prove it.
Try your tactics on someone else :)
Ignoring an entire post of facts that bring light to your comments about thousands of people being collectively stupid because you feel insulted shows...ignorance.
ig�no�rance
�noun
the state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
The possessive form of the word is "your".
And exactly what would I have to be insecure about?
Deefuzz
Nov 16, 11:34 AM
What kind of clothes are you buying?:confused:
I've got a bunch of Banana Republic and L.L. Bean.
A few Lacoste and Polo and Burberry items as well.
The only things for me that don't last are jeans/slacks. I do go through those a bit faster, probably around the 2 year mark.
IMO it's all in the quality of the clothing. Back in college I would buy Tommy Hilfiger, Old Navy, and Nautica and that stuff would barely last a year. Really cheap stuff.
I prefer stuff along the lines of my Banana Republic and L.L. Bean button down shirts. No logos or emblems on the outside of the shirt, and real good quality that holds up for years.
I've got a bunch of Banana Republic and L.L. Bean.
A few Lacoste and Polo and Burberry items as well.
The only things for me that don't last are jeans/slacks. I do go through those a bit faster, probably around the 2 year mark.
IMO it's all in the quality of the clothing. Back in college I would buy Tommy Hilfiger, Old Navy, and Nautica and that stuff would barely last a year. Really cheap stuff.
I prefer stuff along the lines of my Banana Republic and L.L. Bean button down shirts. No logos or emblems on the outside of the shirt, and real good quality that holds up for years.
lifeofart
Jul 12, 07:37 PM
Your definition of a "professional" app seems mighty arbitrary, even to the extent of excluding most applications that exist. Specialized databases that are designed for a specific industry wouldn't meet your definition. Computer-Aided-Machining (CAM) software (which is only useful in one industry) wouldn't meet your definition. I could go on, but I think you get my point.
No, I don't get your point. CAM software is used in a variety of industries. Auto companies, airline companies, boat industries, tools industries, machine shops, agricultural industries. But if the CAM software is a mature useful standard in those industries it is probably a very capable pro app. Like wise customized databases would not be a pro app in itself. The database program used is the pro app not the specific database.
So now you're adding another level of definition to what it takes to be a "professional" app? Some percentage of people have to know about it? And where do you draw the line? Gee, I guess this means that any start-up company trying to produce a new professional application is doomed because how can they ever reach this percentage upon the release so their product can be considered "professional"?
It is not another level of defiintion. Industry standard implies that most professionals use it, Doesn't it?
Yes, it is very very difficult for a startup company to produce a competitive pro app in a mature industry. It takes several years for a product to mature and recieve user feedback and multiple modifications before I would classify it as "Pro". That is why these are difficult markets to crack.
No, I don't get your point. CAM software is used in a variety of industries. Auto companies, airline companies, boat industries, tools industries, machine shops, agricultural industries. But if the CAM software is a mature useful standard in those industries it is probably a very capable pro app. Like wise customized databases would not be a pro app in itself. The database program used is the pro app not the specific database.
So now you're adding another level of definition to what it takes to be a "professional" app? Some percentage of people have to know about it? And where do you draw the line? Gee, I guess this means that any start-up company trying to produce a new professional application is doomed because how can they ever reach this percentage upon the release so their product can be considered "professional"?
It is not another level of defiintion. Industry standard implies that most professionals use it, Doesn't it?
Yes, it is very very difficult for a startup company to produce a competitive pro app in a mature industry. It takes several years for a product to mature and recieve user feedback and multiple modifications before I would classify it as "Pro". That is why these are difficult markets to crack.
Doylem
Apr 4, 03:55 PM
Crummackdale...
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/5480/crummackdale.jpg
http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/5480/crummackdale.jpg
LarryC
Apr 25, 07:49 PM
With thunderbolt you can use an adapter for USB 3.0. That is, once they start putting them on the market.
That is true. I was just thinking that if the new iMacs are gonna have USB at all, then they should be the fastest version. I'm not sure about this, but is the USB 3.0 plug the same as the USB 2.0 plug? I just think that it would be nice if these new machines would have the newest interfaces available. As far as Firewire is concerned, I have an external hard drive that uses FW 800. I am hoping that the new thunderbolt does not do away with FW all together. I know that the new MBP's actually have both. I hope the new iMac's do too.
That is true. I was just thinking that if the new iMacs are gonna have USB at all, then they should be the fastest version. I'm not sure about this, but is the USB 3.0 plug the same as the USB 2.0 plug? I just think that it would be nice if these new machines would have the newest interfaces available. As far as Firewire is concerned, I have an external hard drive that uses FW 800. I am hoping that the new thunderbolt does not do away with FW all together. I know that the new MBP's actually have both. I hope the new iMac's do too.
3goldens
May 4, 02:04 PM
No new iphone in July?
What am I going to do!
And this information comes from where you say, one of those idiot ATT customer reps?
Must be true then!
But who cares really!
People who can't wait a few more months need to get a grip!
After all this leaves so much more time for all the rumors and speculation to get really cranked up!
What am I going to do!
And this information comes from where you say, one of those idiot ATT customer reps?
Must be true then!
But who cares really!
People who can't wait a few more months need to get a grip!
After all this leaves so much more time for all the rumors and speculation to get really cranked up!
WildCowboy
Jul 10, 05:02 PM
Dammit. I misread this article title as "Page 3 features" as in the Page 3 of Macrumors we had for April Fools.
You're not alone...you're the third one in this thread to mention it.
You're not alone...you're the third one in this thread to mention it.
WilliamG
Apr 29, 12:20 AM
My guess is the white one has to be thicker to alleviate the light leakage issue that was rumored/reported. Still sneaky of Apple to advertise it as the same thickness as the black one...
Jason Beck
Apr 9, 09:41 PM
Those are some nice-looking jeans. I have no clue why, but my eyes were drawn there first. :D
Thanks, I couldn't stop complimenting her on them too lol.
Thanks, I couldn't stop complimenting her on them too lol.
nobunaga209
Feb 1, 05:04 PM
More goodies for the CBR; HID kit, gear indicator, and black fuel cap.
http://www.d2moto.com/images/product/large/8803_1_.jpg
http://i.ebayimg.com/06/!CBl0hcg!Wk~$(KGrHqZ,!hQE0fktnbWbBNIT,DSNOg~~0_12.JPG
http://i.ebayimg.com/06/!CESUw8!EGk~$(KGrHqJ,!lgEz+2LF49pBNR,m,IWBw~~0_12.JPG
http://www.d2moto.com/images/product/large/8803_1_.jpg
http://i.ebayimg.com/06/!CBl0hcg!Wk~$(KGrHqZ,!hQE0fktnbWbBNIT,DSNOg~~0_12.JPG
http://i.ebayimg.com/06/!CESUw8!EGk~$(KGrHqJ,!lgEz+2LF49pBNR,m,IWBw~~0_12.JPG
tristangage
Apr 13, 12:00 PM
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5262/5616177495_3fdf26e3ff.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tristangage/5616177495/)
recording dials 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tristangage/5616177495/) by tristangage (http://www.flickr.com/people/tristangage/), on Flickr
Camera Canon EOS 500D
Exposure 0.017 sec (1/60)
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 55 mm
ISO Speed 800
recording dials 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/tristangage/5616177495/) by tristangage (http://www.flickr.com/people/tristangage/), on Flickr
Camera Canon EOS 500D
Exposure 0.017 sec (1/60)
Aperture f/5.6
Focal Length 55 mm
ISO Speed 800
RebootD
Mar 31, 01:40 PM
I find most of the comments puerile or insane--over reacting with disdain or glee--while the major concern should be the function. I still find iCal a little limited and annoyingly so in terms of notes attached to daily functions.
Who gives a crap how it is decorated! Make the thing work better and it will work better, and that's what matters to real people who need real organization within their lives.
Can't help it I'm a snotty designer and one of the things I love about Macs are their liberal use of 'flair'. This is counter-intuitive to that style I'm used to.
I will agree that any added functionality would be very welcome.
Who gives a crap how it is decorated! Make the thing work better and it will work better, and that's what matters to real people who need real organization within their lives.
Can't help it I'm a snotty designer and one of the things I love about Macs are their liberal use of 'flair'. This is counter-intuitive to that style I'm used to.
I will agree that any added functionality would be very welcome.
rmwebs
Apr 28, 04:34 PM
I just did that, and loaded one of them into Photoshop for a little measurement. Here is what I got:
Image (http://www.marulla.com/files/thickness.png)
That ones not really too accurate due to the camera angle...its on a slope.
Also just run this through myself.
I get 79.2 on the White iPhone and 78.9 on the black. Given that I also had to level the image that sounds about right. Theres no way you can call your or my results accurate from a wonky photo however as photoshop attempts to enhance an image when rotating to level, thus distorting the original.
Image (http://www.marulla.com/files/thickness.png)
That ones not really too accurate due to the camera angle...its on a slope.
Also just run this through myself.
I get 79.2 on the White iPhone and 78.9 on the black. Given that I also had to level the image that sounds about right. Theres no way you can call your or my results accurate from a wonky photo however as photoshop attempts to enhance an image when rotating to level, thus distorting the original.
jclardy
Apr 14, 06:35 AM
You don't need Rosetta, iOS is Intel 64 native. You get a copy with Xcode called the Simulator.
The problem is that all iOS app store binaries are ARM and not x86. Devs could provide a second build for the simulator but they would have to do it for all of their old apps.
Maybe there will be a touchscreen MBA with both an intel and an arm processor that can run iOS apps in fullscreen alongside other Mac apps...
The problem is that all iOS app store binaries are ARM and not x86. Devs could provide a second build for the simulator but they would have to do it for all of their old apps.
Maybe there will be a touchscreen MBA with both an intel and an arm processor that can run iOS apps in fullscreen alongside other Mac apps...
jaigo
Oct 24, 08:51 AM
What about those of us that bought MBP's in August? The upgrades weren't in the forcast! Ugh, I really hate it when this happens!
That's why you should have been patient. :)
That's why you should have been patient. :)
roadbloc
Apr 13, 05:38 PM
Yawn. What is the point? Seriously? A TV with a gyro and shake to undo? :rolleyes:
louispavlo
Oct 24, 08:52 AM
Video iPod on thanksgiving. I would bet money on it.
That'll really knock the wind out of Zune.
That'll really knock the wind out of Zune.
Mobius 1
May 3, 09:06 AM
how do i reclaim the normal clocked speed of the CPU and GPU?
u know apple underclock and things like that
u know apple underclock and things like that
LSlugger
Oct 24, 08:54 AM
The MacBook Pro isn't the only model to get attention today. The iMac is now available with a 750 GB hard drive, for $200 more than the 500 GB drive. Good news for storing DVDs or high-def programs.
zombierunner
May 3, 08:39 AM
3.4GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7
4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Wireless Keyboard (British) & User's Guide (English)
Microsoft Office Mac 2011 - Home and Student Edition
AppleCare Protection Plan for iMac/eMac
Apple Remote
HP Photosmart Wireless e-All-in-One Printer
Will Update RAM to 12GB by buying 8GB RAM from Crucial
SORTED!
CAN'T BELIEVE 2GB GRAPHICS ..SWEET
Question - Do I get the same ram from crucial as for the 2010 model? crucial doesn't show 2011 imac option yet. wait?
4GB 1333MHz DDR3 SDRAM - 2x2GB
1TB Serial ATA Drive
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2GB GDDR5
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Wireless Keyboard (British) & User's Guide (English)
Microsoft Office Mac 2011 - Home and Student Edition
AppleCare Protection Plan for iMac/eMac
Apple Remote
HP Photosmart Wireless e-All-in-One Printer
Will Update RAM to 12GB by buying 8GB RAM from Crucial
SORTED!
CAN'T BELIEVE 2GB GRAPHICS ..SWEET
Question - Do I get the same ram from crucial as for the 2010 model? crucial doesn't show 2011 imac option yet. wait?